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		<title>By: eddie</title>
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		<description>StealBackYourVote is very good and has been cross-posted to Ed B and pharynpula, over at scienceblogs, and elsewhere. Many readers are aware of the issue.

What I hope is that you guys, and the obama campaign have plans afoot to directly counter voter intimidation at polling stations, even from cops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StealBackYourVote is very good and has been cross-posted to Ed B and pharynpula, over at scienceblogs, and elsewhere. Many readers are aware of the issue.</p>
<p>What I hope is that you guys, and the obama campaign have plans afoot to directly counter voter intimidation at polling stations, even from cops.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Pickering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Pickering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, what are we going to do about it? What CAN we do about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, what are we going to do about it? What CAN we do about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Mayes</title>
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		<description>Greg,  

Pasted in below is a &quot;press release&quot; I sent to local media yesterday about the potential for people in Thurston County, WA to show up at old polling sites, as they did in the last presidential election, because neither voters&#039; pamphlets nor local media have done enough to emphasize and clarify that this is a mail-in only election.  I have 2 specific questions for you:

1--I think it is important to track how many people do show up at their old polling sites expecting to vote in Thurston County on Tues.  Since I&#039;m sure that neither the County Auditor&#039;s Office, nor the Secretary of State, plans to conduct such a survey (they each told me as much), I wonder if you can suggest another entity which I could approach with this proposal. 

2--I work for a free, progressive monthly newspaper in Olympia called Works In Progress ( www.olywip.org ).  We go to press tomorrow.  If space allows, may we reprint the article you wrote with Robert Kennedy Jr. which appeared on the Huffington Post on Oct 28, &quot;Drinking the ACORN Kool-Aid&quot;?

Thanks for your time and all your great work.

-Sandy Mayes
360-956-1136


Potential for voter confusion in Thurston County, WA

[Comment by Sandy Mayes]

October 29, 2008

Some residents in Thurston County may mistakenly believe that they have the option to vote on Nov 4 at the same poll-site they used the last time they voted in a presidential election.

This year, for the first time ever in Thurston County, voting poll-sites will not be open on the day of a general/presidential election.

I have been aware that, since 2005, all local and state elections in Thurston County have been strictly by mail. What I was not clear about, until recently, was whether this would also be true in the general, presidential election. I started asking around and found that nearly every one of the dozen or so people I asked were not sure if, despite having received ballots by mail, there did not also remain the option of voting in person at a regular polling site on Nov 4.

(The question of voting in person on Nov 4 arose for me after reading an article by Robert Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast in the current issue of Rolling Stone in which they advise that, whenever possible, we should vote in person rather than by mail. See the article here: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote/print .)

Voters&#039; Pamphlets are not helpful; information about this being a strictly mail-in (or drop-off) election is scant and obscure.

The Thurston County Voters&#039; Pamphlet cover is virtually identical on front and back. It informs readers that ballots begin arriving on Oct 18 and that &quot;Election Day&quot; is Nov 4. It also advises that people must register by Oct 20. It does not clarify that on &quot;Election Day&quot; — for the first time in a general, presidential election in Thurston County — the poll-sites will not be open. One has to scrutinize the 16-page pamphlet very carefully to find the one solitary clarifying sentence, not highlighted in any way, embedded in a paragraph in the middle of page 6, which reads: &quot;NO pollsites will be open in Thurston County on Election Day.&quot; I found this sentence only after calling the Thurston County Auditor&#039;s Office; the person who answered the phone had to spend a minute or two flipping through the pamphlet before she found that one sentence and directed me to it.

A PDF of page 6 can be viewed here: http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/auditor/Elections/2008Elections/general/pamphlet/pdf/vp_general_6.pdf .

The entire Thurston County Voters&#039; Pamphlet can be accessed here: http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/auditor/Elections/2008Elections/General/pamphlet/VPpdfmain.htm .

The State of Washington Voters&#039; Pamphlet is similarly unhelpful on this question. On both the front and back covers it reminds voters that the General Election is Nov 4, and contains language emphasizing the new Primary Election system. On page 5 of this 89-page pamphlet, it briefly states that &quot;The General Election is November 4, 2008. Polling place hours in King and Pierce Counties are 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.&quot; On page 6, under a small sub-heading entitled &quot;VOTE BY MAIL&quot; it states, &quot;Thirty-seven of Washington&#039;s 39 counties now vote entirely by mail.&quot;

Nowhere in the pamphlet is it specifically clarified, let alone highlighted or emphasized, that Pierce and King Counties are now the only Washington State counties in which polling sites will be open on Election Day.

The State of Washington Voters&#039; Pamphlet can be accessed at www.vote.wa.gov .

We will never know how many people in Thurston County show up on Nov 4, at the site where they last voted in a presidential election, expecting to cast their ballot.

In addition to calling the Thurston County Auditor&#039;s Office, I also called the Secretary of State&#039;s office to express my concern that some Thurston County residents may show up at their usual polling places, expecting to cast their votes on a General/Presidential Election Day as they have always done. In each case, the individuals I spoke with were surprised by my concern and indicated that citizens should have been aware by now of the switch to mail-only voting in Thurston County, and that there should have been no need to make a point of emphasizing that fact in the voters&#039; pamphlets. When I asked if there were any mechanisms in place to redirect people, I was informed of a poster being mailed this week to all the old polling sites for exactly that purpose.

With only six days left until Election Day, and with at least one very tight regional race (the gubernatorial race between Dino Rossi and Christine Gregoire) we need to make sure that all Thurston County residents understand that the polls will not be open that day.

I did a search on the Olympian newspaper&#039;s website looking for recent articles about the upcoming election in which Thurston County voters are specifically reminded that the election is mail-in (or drop-off) only. When I failed to locate any such articles, I called the Olympian&#039;s political desk and spoke with a reporter who confirmed that, to his knowledge, election coverage had not specifically clarified or emphasized that point, but that he would now make a point of doing so on or before election day.

I am sending this “press release” to the Olympian, and other regional newspapers and media outlets, hoping to trigger coverage — the sooner the better — which emphasizes and makes very clear that the polls will not be open in Thurston County on Election Day. I am also sending it to various listserves and blogs.

We need to know how many people show up on Nov 4 at old polling sites expecting to vote.

In addition to redirecting voters who mistakenly show up to vote, I suggest that employees at the old voting sites — schools, fire stations, churches, etc. — be advised to keep a record of how many people do mistakenly show up to vote. I intend to visit my old polling site, a grade school, on Nov 5 to ask that very question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,  </p>
<p>Pasted in below is a "press release" I sent to local media yesterday about the potential for people in Thurston County, WA to show up at old polling sites, as they did in the last presidential election, because neither voters' pamphlets nor local media have done enough to emphasize and clarify that this is a mail-in only election.  I have 2 specific questions for you:</p>
<p>1--I think it is important to track how many people do show up at their old polling sites expecting to vote in Thurston County on Tues.  Since I'm sure that neither the County Auditor's Office, nor the Secretary of State, plans to conduct such a survey (they each told me as much), I wonder if you can suggest another entity which I could approach with this proposal. </p>
<p>2--I work for a free, progressive monthly newspaper in Olympia called Works In Progress ( <a href="http://www.olywip.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.olywip.org</a> ).  We go to press tomorrow.  If space allows, may we reprint the article you wrote with Robert Kennedy Jr. which appeared on the Huffington Post on Oct 28, "Drinking the ACORN Kool-Aid"?</p>
<p>Thanks for your time and all your great work.</p>
<p>-Sandy Mayes<br />
360-956-1136</p>
<p>Potential for voter confusion in Thurston County, WA</p>
<p>[Comment by Sandy Mayes]</p>
<p>October 29, 2008</p>
<p>Some residents in Thurston County may mistakenly believe that they have the option to vote on Nov 4 at the same poll-site they used the last time they voted in a presidential election.</p>
<p>This year, for the first time ever in Thurston County, voting poll-sites will not be open on the day of a general/presidential election.</p>
<p>I have been aware that, since 2005, all local and state elections in Thurston County have been strictly by mail. What I was not clear about, until recently, was whether this would also be true in the general, presidential election. I started asking around and found that nearly every one of the dozen or so people I asked were not sure if, despite having received ballots by mail, there did not also remain the option of voting in person at a regular polling site on Nov 4.</p>
<p>(The question of voting in person on Nov 4 arose for me after reading an article by Robert Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast in the current issue of Rolling Stone in which they advise that, whenever possible, we should vote in person rather than by mail. See the article here: <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote/print" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote/print</a> .)</p>
<p>Voters' Pamphlets are not helpful; information about this being a strictly mail-in (or drop-off) election is scant and obscure.</p>
<p>The Thurston County Voters' Pamphlet cover is virtually identical on front and back. It informs readers that ballots begin arriving on Oct 18 and that "Election Day" is Nov 4. It also advises that people must register by Oct 20. It does not clarify that on "Election Day" — for the first time in a general, presidential election in Thurston County — the poll-sites will not be open. One has to scrutinize the 16-page pamphlet very carefully to find the one solitary clarifying sentence, not highlighted in any way, embedded in a paragraph in the middle of page 6, which reads: "NO pollsites will be open in Thurston County on Election Day." I found this sentence only after calling the Thurston County Auditor's Office; the person who answered the phone had to spend a minute or two flipping through the pamphlet before she found that one sentence and directed me to it.</p>
<p>A PDF of page 6 can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/auditor/Elections/2008Elections/general/pamphlet/pdf/vp_general_6.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/auditor/Elections/2008Elections/general/pamphlet/pdf/vp_general_6.pdf</a> .</p>
<p>The entire Thurston County Voters' Pamphlet can be accessed here: <a href="http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/auditor/Elections/2008Elections/General/pamphlet/VPpdfmain.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/auditor/Elections/2008Elections/General/pamphlet/VPpdfmain.htm</a> .</p>
<p>The State of Washington Voters' Pamphlet is similarly unhelpful on this question. On both the front and back covers it reminds voters that the General Election is Nov 4, and contains language emphasizing the new Primary Election system. On page 5 of this 89-page pamphlet, it briefly states that "The General Election is November 4, 2008. Polling place hours in King and Pierce Counties are 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m." On page 6, under a small sub-heading entitled "VOTE BY MAIL" it states, "Thirty-seven of Washington's 39 counties now vote entirely by mail."</p>
<p>Nowhere in the pamphlet is it specifically clarified, let alone highlighted or emphasized, that Pierce and King Counties are now the only Washington State counties in which polling sites will be open on Election Day.</p>
<p>The State of Washington Voters' Pamphlet can be accessed at <a href="http://www.vote.wa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.vote.wa.gov</a> .</p>
<p>We will never know how many people in Thurston County show up on Nov 4, at the site where they last voted in a presidential election, expecting to cast their ballot.</p>
<p>In addition to calling the Thurston County Auditor's Office, I also called the Secretary of State's office to express my concern that some Thurston County residents may show up at their usual polling places, expecting to cast their votes on a General/Presidential Election Day as they have always done. In each case, the individuals I spoke with were surprised by my concern and indicated that citizens should have been aware by now of the switch to mail-only voting in Thurston County, and that there should have been no need to make a point of emphasizing that fact in the voters' pamphlets. When I asked if there were any mechanisms in place to redirect people, I was informed of a poster being mailed this week to all the old polling sites for exactly that purpose.</p>
<p>With only six days left until Election Day, and with at least one very tight regional race (the gubernatorial race between Dino Rossi and Christine Gregoire) we need to make sure that all Thurston County residents understand that the polls will not be open that day.</p>
<p>I did a search on the Olympian newspaper's website looking for recent articles about the upcoming election in which Thurston County voters are specifically reminded that the election is mail-in (or drop-off) only. When I failed to locate any such articles, I called the Olympian's political desk and spoke with a reporter who confirmed that, to his knowledge, election coverage had not specifically clarified or emphasized that point, but that he would now make a point of doing so on or before election day.</p>
<p>I am sending this “press release” to the Olympian, and other regional newspapers and media outlets, hoping to trigger coverage — the sooner the better — which emphasizes and makes very clear that the polls will not be open in Thurston County on Election Day. I am also sending it to various listserves and blogs.</p>
<p>We need to know how many people show up on Nov 4 at old polling sites expecting to vote.</p>
<p>In addition to redirecting voters who mistakenly show up to vote, I suggest that employees at the old voting sites — schools, fire stations, churches, etc. — be advised to keep a record of how many people do mistakenly show up to vote. I intend to visit my old polling site, a grade school, on Nov 5 to ask that very question.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Morris</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want you to know I appreciate all the hard work you have done.  It looks like Americans are going to have to stand together to stop all of this.  It would be very sad if we work up the day after the Election and John McCain had won.  It would also, be very scarey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want you to know I appreciate all the hard work you have done.  It looks like Americans are going to have to stand together to stop all of this.  It would be very sad if we work up the day after the Election and John McCain had won.  It would also, be very scarey!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Foshee</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of us have been aware of the potential for corruption to our voter system but it seems that nothing has been done over the past 8 years to rectify that.  Perhaps we need to go back to the old way of handcounting with much supervision.  By the time we go through contesting voters thrown off the rules or out of the system, we won&#039;t get the final results for quite a while anyway.  I say hand count!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of us have been aware of the potential for corruption to our voter system but it seems that nothing has been done over the past 8 years to rectify that.  Perhaps we need to go back to the old way of handcounting with much supervision.  By the time we go through contesting voters thrown off the rules or out of the system, we won't get the final results for quite a while anyway.  I say hand count!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Eriqat</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m completely non-partisan. I couldn&#039;t care less whether Obama or McCain wins - I would vote for Ron Paul if I voted.

Nevertheless, it&#039;s clear that Obama has an overwhelming and insurmountable lead. So if McCain wins it will only be the result of election fraud.

What happens then? Will the people tolerate it yet again? Or will civil unrest ensue this time? Maybe that&#039;s why the Army has been called in for domestic duty.

Dave
http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm completely non-partisan. I couldn't care less whether Obama or McCain wins - I would vote for Ron Paul if I voted.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, it's clear that Obama has an overwhelming and insurmountable lead. So if McCain wins it will only be the result of election fraud.</p>
<p>What happens then? Will the people tolerate it yet again? Or will civil unrest ensue this time? Maybe that's why the Army has been called in for domestic duty.</p>
<p>Dave<br />
<a href="http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jan Nickerson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me as though you should be doing as much as you can to get this news out. I love Rolling Stone, but my mother doesn&#039;t read it,bet yours only does because you write for it, and they would never believe this is happening. 
Just like the news on Sarah Palin&#039;s fudging expense accounts, (and then requesting they be changed, for her three daughters traveling) has been ignored since reported by AP last night, this news is likely to fall by the wayside unless YOU bring it to the general media, and ALL of congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me as though you should be doing as much as you can to get this news out. I love Rolling Stone, but my mother doesn't read it,bet yours only does because you write for it, and they would never believe this is happening.<br />
Just like the news on Sarah Palin's fudging expense accounts, (and then requesting they be changed, for her three daughters traveling) has been ignored since reported by AP last night, this news is likely to fall by the wayside unless YOU bring it to the general media, and ALL of congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Light</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a registered Democrat in a largely Republican area.  I was living and working in Chillicothe, Ohio at the time of the 2004 election. (Also mainly a Republican area.) I tried to vote for John Kerry and   had some difficulty getting my vote into the computer.  After voting a sign popped up that read &quot;thank you for voting for George Bush.&quot;
I felt than that my basic right to vote had been violated, and I worry that I may feel the same after casting my vote this time.
Do you have any suggestions as to what I, as an ordinary citizen, can do about this if it happens again?

Connie Light</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a registered Democrat in a largely Republican area.  I was living and working in Chillicothe, Ohio at the time of the 2004 election. (Also mainly a Republican area.) I tried to vote for John Kerry and   had some difficulty getting my vote into the computer.  After voting a sign popped up that read "thank you for voting for George Bush."<br />
I felt than that my basic right to vote had been violated, and I worry that I may feel the same after casting my vote this time.<br />
Do you have any suggestions as to what I, as an ordinary citizen, can do about this if it happens again?</p>
<p>Connie Light</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always knew the GOP was doing this and this confirms it....Bring &#039;EM Down.Keep up the great work you&#039;re doing on be half of the regular Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always knew the GOP was doing this and this confirms it....Bring 'EM Down.Keep up the great work you're doing on be half of the regular Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this article, it makes me mad that the republican party is so desperate, that they&#039;ll do anything to keep the presidency, and  to regain the majority in both houses within their own party. Freedoms we have seem to mean nothing to those who crave on power and above all else to get their hands on money, for their own selfish gains.

I&#039;m hoping that despite this, that the Democrats, will win a fillabuster proof majority in both house and senate and to win the presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this article, it makes me mad that the republican party is so desperate, that they'll do anything to keep the presidency, and  to regain the majority in both houses within their own party. Freedoms we have seem to mean nothing to those who crave on power and above all else to get their hands on money, for their own selfish gains.</p>
<p>I'm hoping that despite this, that the Democrats, will win a fillabuster proof majority in both house and senate and to win the presidency.</p>
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